Unifying our mobile and desktop domains

(techblog.wikimedia.org)

92 points | by todsacerdoti 8 hours ago

6 comments

  • porphyra 1 hour ago
    It was mildly annoying how en.wikipedia.org would redirect to en.m.wikipedia.org on mobile, but en.m.wikipedia.org wouldn't redirect to en.wikipedia.org on desktop. So when a mobile user sent me a link, I had to go and manually delete the '.m' in order to view it nicely. But I guess it makes sense since desktop developers need to be able to see the mobile site sometimes.
    • Wowfunhappy 1 minute ago
      > But I guess it makes sense since desktop developers need to be able to see the mobile site sometimes.

      IMO this isn't a good reason. Developers can change the user agent.

      I also imagine there could be a no-redirect preference for logged in users. Or even just a special query string you could add to the end of a url.

    • sfRattan 1 hour ago
      There was a period I can recall, maybe 2010 to 2020 most prominently, when a subset of HN readers strongly preferred the mobile Wikipedia site, even on desktop, and would always use ".m" linking to Wikipedia articles in comments threads. This also seemed to happen in reddit threads during that decade.

      I sort of remember some of the older MediaWiki desktop themes looking worse than the mobile theme, but it was never enough for me personally to try always using the mobile site at the time. I do still strongly prefer old.reddit.com... For as long as that portal continues to exist.

      • porphyra 34 minutes ago
        Yeah, in the olden days, there was no max-width for desktop wikipedia, so the readability was not good.
  • sedatk 3 hours ago
    That's a welcome development albeit late, but more importantly, they should address the "can't link to a highlight" problem on mobile. When all sections are collapsed by default, browser won't scroll to the relevant section.

    A random "link to highlight" example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_Cyprus#:~:text=On%2...

    Such a link doesn't work on mobile if it points inside a collapsed section.

    That makes directing people to relevant content on mobile really hard, and I end up sending screenshots instead.

    EDIT: "Link to fragment"s had the same problem, but apparently, they fixed it. Thanks for that too!

  • SchemaLoad 3 hours ago
    About 10 years late, I can't think of any websites other than Wikipedia still doing the mobile domain.
    • layer8 3 hours ago
      YouTube? Twitch? FaceBook? GSMArena? There are lots.
      • sedatk 2 hours ago
        m.youtube.com and m.facebook.com redirect you to main "m-less" domain when on desktop. That was the greatest problem with Wikipedia. You had to experience that mobile layout on desktop unless you edited the address line and reloaded the page.
        • SoKamil 1 hour ago
          m.wikipedia.org was a feature, not a bug. The interface is good on desktop. For some time, before Wikipedia did a desktop site rework, this was my go-to frontend.
        • huflungdung 1 hour ago
          [dead]
    • micromacrofoot 2 hours ago
      late for what?
      • NooneAtAll3 1 hour ago
        pc website redirected mobile users from the very beginning

        mobile website did not redirect pc users

        10 years late at fixing this very basic problem

      • sedatk 2 hours ago
        Late for fixing design and UX bifurcation.
  • janpio 6 hours ago
    Great job.

    I was hoping this was a unification of the both layouts as well, that would have been really impressive. The mobile version of the article pages is great, but getting both versions from the same frontend would be an amazing case study.

    • bawolff 2 hours ago
      The mobile site is relatively unpopular among editors, i think there would be a riot if they did that.

      That said, there is a "desktop" version of the mobile skin, you can get it by appending ?useskin=minerva to a wikipedia url.

    • NooneAtAll3 1 hour ago
      wdym?

      isn't "new" pc design that's been around for last couple years pretty much mobile one already? (and thus ugly af)

  • lxgr 3 hours ago
    Finally! But…

    > Wikipedia’s use of it is surprising to our present day audience, and it may decrease the perceived strength of domain branding

    Really? That’s the reasoning, and not the fact that mobile links forwarded to desktop browsers would render the mobile view?!

    • LeoPanthera 2 hours ago
      It's surely much less of a problem than most non-technical users wondering why Wikipedia URLs start with "en" instead of "www".
    • pr337h4m 3 hours ago
      The mobile view is a really pleasant reading experience on desktop.
    • bawolff 2 hours ago
      > Really? That’s the reasoning, and not the fact that mobile links forwarded to desktop browsers would render the mobile view?!

      If you read the more technical internal rationals instead of just the press release, what you said is mentioned as one of the reasons for the change

      https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Mobile_d...

  • jonny_eh 3 hours ago
    Now it's your turn YouTube…