24 comments

  • orliesaurus 25 minutes ago
    Things like this are the reason why companies like GitHub then put everything under a paid tier.
    • keepamovin 6 minutes ago
      I know a lot of people talk about GH outages, but I personally haven't encountered it even tho as you can see form my profile (github.com/crisdosaygo) I'm on there everyday. Maybe my workflows don't hit the weak spots, idk.

      But the reason I created this was because Actions always worked so well.

      Regarding the Global Free Tier, every GH account comes with Actions Minutes and this is way to have a nice CLI to put them to use toward your building, and maybe have a spot for agents to do some work you don't want locally.

      Bigger picture, I feel GH led the way providing this idea of "compute as utility" (free compute for even free GH accounts, was amazing - but I really think that the future is shaped like that). I'm serious about that: AI will eventually become cheaper to train and infer, and the oversupply of compute will be a background layer we will have access to much cheaper. Just one of the trends. So the idea of the Global Free Tier or Background Compute as a universal utility, is something I think si really real.

      Also probably important to note that the reliability issues GH seems to have faced, are more of a recent uptick, but Actions has had this free tier for ages.

    • rvz 10 minutes ago
      Given the consistent outages everywhere on GitHub, they actually should put GitHub Actions under a paid tier only if they want their platform to be sustainable and stable. Period.

      It's quite irresponsible of them to have almost all the core features free and a paid tier would significantly reduce abuse of it (and especially GitHub Actions) like this.

      If they don't, then don't be surprised to see more outages on their platform.

  • keepamovin 13 minutes ago
    I built this because I was always creating machines on GH actions to test builds on different OS, and I wanted a tight CLI that could do it. I always saw Actions as this great resources and ephemeral machines you could do dev work in just were a natural way for me to work, so this grew out of that workflow.

    I didn't expect it to blow up, so it wasn't 100% finished when I posted it. But it should stabilize pretty quickly.

    Happy to know what you think and talk about it.

  • D2OQZG8l5BI1S06 43 minutes ago
    Weird to have a .charity TLD but promote abusing Github Actions as free compute.
    • CodesInChaos 7 minutes ago
      Volunteering the money of others is a favourite human pastime.
    • keepamovin 3 minutes ago
      Honestly, I was tyring to pick a name, and I picked the one that made me laugh the most. Sparks joy. Because that's what it really is: a charity of ghost machines. GH provides these amazing free compute minutes, and this is a way to use them to focus on dev tasks.

      IN future, I think I'll add other providers.

    • sikozu 21 minutes ago
      That's so weird.
  • beardsciences 27 minutes ago
    This idea is great in concept, and I think it's important to state that, but the GitHub Actions stuff is against TOS iirc + they will need to address that pretty quickly.
  • sikozu 20 minutes ago
    GitHub is going to love this. No wonder Actions keeps getting worse and worse.
  • kitchi 43 minutes ago
    Looks like the Github repo has already been nuked, I'm guessing for violating ToS on Github actions?
  • cobertos 52 minutes ago
    Won't the supply-side incentives misalign with demand-side's desires in this case?

    If you choose a specific company's free tier, you can rely on reputation and switch if they misbehave (e.g. they exfiltrate your secrets, log all your activities, build a profile on your workload behavior, etc). But if you don't know where your workload being deployed, the operator has less incentive to treat your compute with respect.

    Means this is really only useful for nearly-public workloads, where tampering is not a critical failure mode.

    • rvz 37 minutes ago
      That is why unless you own it yourself, a "free tier" is not truly "free".

      This service uses GitHub Actions and it is likely against GitHub's terms of service and GitHub can pull the rug if they wanted to.

      If you don't own it, there is always a catch when something claims to have a "free tier". This is one of them.

      • keepamovin 1 minute ago
        I think there's a case for self-hosted runners, and right now it only supports the basic ubuntu, macos and window latest. But I see a path to adding the larger paid runners as part of the toml for machine shape in future.
  • rao-v 49 minutes ago
    Is there a meaningfully useful version of automatically write to an encrypted disk / RAM that could be used with a random cloud instance? Obviously the decryption key would be in RAM somewhere but as a short term best practice it might be somewhat useful
  • fhn 54 minutes ago
    this is exactly what a bad actor would do to temp the greedy. If they are providing free ssh access, why not just use an ssh client instead of curl|sh? That's crazy! And free compute is even crazier. I guess they could make money based off training or selling whatever you put on there.
    • keepamovin 0 minutes ago
      I'm not trying to make money on this. I just think it's a useful utility. The SSH tunnels are provided by cloudflared and tor (as a backup, CF free tunnels sometimes flake).
    • Imustaskforhelp 50 minutes ago
      To be honest a bit true, I use exe.dev and it prefers to use ssh or or just directly within the browser itself and that certainly helps with the trust (also exe.dev is awesome, +1 to it using since day 1)

      Also the repository itself doesn't exist anymore as it shows me a 404, I haven't run any code or anything but it would definitely be nice if keepamovin talks more about it as the idea itself is nice but yeah.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20260501150640/https://github.co...

  • croemer 17 minutes ago
    None of the links to Github work because you're pointing at the main branch instead of your default branch ghosts-only
  • arm32 5 minutes ago
    Just shut this down.
  • anonymouscaller 1 hour ago
    Couldn't get it working on MacOS or Linux:

    $ curl -fsSL https://www.ghost.charity/install.sh | bash Checking for Ghostbox updates... curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Could not fetch ghost-linux-x64.tar.gz from https://github.com/DO-SAY-GO/ghostbox-releases/releases/late...

    • gbraad 1 hour ago
      Perhaps removed?

      "There are spare machines everywhere. GitHub Actions is only the first place ghosts come from." ... seems a bit odd.

    • keepamovin 15 minutes ago
      Should work fine now. REpo was not public at first.
  • 6r17 32 minutes ago
    I'd be worry about security tbf - this sounds cool until it's used to host some weird shenanigans and nobody has any kind way to tell who did what
  • toraway 22 minutes ago
    I wish the link for "Global Free Tier" [1] included an actual list of the free tiers GhostBox is using (ideally also including some kind of table/rubric for comparisons and any limitations, benefits, etc unique to each).

    It sounds like Github Actions is the first choice, if it's unavailable (or if Github blocks GhostBox in the future), are each of the alternatives viable as a more or less drop-in replacement? Or would there be loss of functionality?

    Those are the questions I had when reading through the site so I think some basic technical docs would go a long way to help people understand the project and decide to give it a try. I like the cute/whimsical branding but I'll admit to doing a little internal eye-roll when I clicked that link expecting technical specifics and instead read:

      > GitHub Actions is only the first place ghosts come from. There are strange little pockets of temporary compute all over the internet. Ghostbox makes them feel like one small machine. 
    
    [1] https://www.ghost.charity/#gft
    • bensyverson 20 minutes ago
      Yeah, I'm open to this concept, but I'm a little hesitant to clone a private repo somewhere random and undisclosed and then inject secrets.
  • pvitz 46 minutes ago
    Segfault provides something similar with a direct ssh connection: https://www.thc.org/segfault/
  • throwa356262 1 hour ago
    @keepamovin this looks cool, but notice that your README and github links are ghosting us (404)
  • archargelod 18 minutes ago
    Was this botted to the top of the front page?

    AI=generated article that asks you to download and run some random binary. Github account is just more AI slop. Everything to me just screams that it's a malware. Or this is normal here?

    • saltyoldman 14 minutes ago
      botted, probably teampcp doing it's usual scams.
  • sbuas 31 minutes ago
    Where is the source ? This looks fishy, no way I'll run this bin..
  • o10449366 25 minutes ago
    As unreliable as GitHub actions are, this is what ruins nice things (free for public repos) for the rest of us.
  • rvz 46 minutes ago
    So that's why we will see GitHub Actions continuing to go down so frequently every day of the week. From their "terms of service" [0]

    > Ghostbox is software for launching short-lived development machines using third-party infrastructure such as GitHub Actions, tunnels, shells, agents, and related developer tools.

    So this will go down, just like GitHub Actions since it abuses the subsidised free tier of GitHub Actions to run a service like and it is likely against the GitHub TOS.

    [0] https://www.ghost.charity/terms

  • colesantiago 59 minutes ago
    Its great that this is free for disposable use.

    We need more of these. There are too many sandboxes that charge insane prices.

    Curious what this runs on though and it would be great if this was completely open source.

    Great work!

    • jetbalsa 7 minutes ago
      I know a guy who gets a bunch of old hardware as a recycler, We made the Shell On Demand Appliance for DEFCON[1] awhile back and would love to expand it, but power/internet would just cost too much. we have the hardware and software to do this. just not the long term recurring

      [1] https://forum.defcon.org/node/246908

  • Imustaskforhelp 1 hour ago
    Thanks, I know exactly something which has been in my mind to build which can be made possible with this.

    Basically any golang/any language cli application preferably-static can be dropped and ran in ghostbox plus xterm in browser (and additionally cloudflare tunnels) or perhaps directly to give a web link.

    Anyone can then click on that web link to then try out the cli application. Think jujutsu and others too and they can do this upto 90 minutes.

    Feel free to pick up on this idea as more importantly than not, I would personally love to see an idea like this, even something with asciinema to finally show how an app feels and looks.

    Can you please tell me more about what is the structure behind Ghostbox and on what service does it run upon? Hetzner/OVH or something else? I would be interested to know more about the infrastructural decisions behind it and does it run on firecrackers, quite so many questions!

    This is a really cool project, thanks for making this and have a nice day!

  • peter_d_sherman 40 minutes ago
    An interesting set of ideas!

    The broader concept seems to be "ephemeral environments", which is related to sandboxing, which is in turn is related to testing/debugging...

    Related:

    https://github.com/topics/ephemeral-environments

    https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/state_harmful.p...

  • aleksiy123 6 minutes ago
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