6 comments

  • SwellJoe 1 hour ago
    I like the brown ones. Everything is black, it's dumb, and I'm happy to have any contrast.
    • RachelF 8 minutes ago
      Yeah, everything being black on modern motherboards might look cool with RGB lighting, but makes it harder to work on. I like the older green PCBs with white PCI slots.

      I also lament the demise of color coded connectors at the back. I knew to plug my speakers into the green 3.5mm jack. Now everything is black, so I need to look at the manual again to see which of the 5 connectors is the right one.

    • petepete 29 minutes ago
      Me too. All my computers have Noctua fans and I don't care in the slightest that they're the same colour as my parents' sofa in the 1980s.

      I have a couple of their screwdrivers too. I'm with with brown.

    • Havoc 6 minutes ago
      Preference. Some people like their PCs to look like a rainbow alien LED spaceship, others would go for vanta black if they could get it
    • sammy2255 24 minutes ago
      Agreed. It's like Tatooine themed from Star Wars
    • vasco 1 hour ago
      I myself don't see color, I like all fans equally
      • dotancohen 21 minutes ago
        I've heard that the black fans go to more shows, but the white fans buy more albums.
      • csto12 40 minutes ago
        Booooooooooo
  • jFriedensreich 15 minutes ago
    Why would someone want a beige or brown fan? If it is that complicated why not only make black ones?
    • Guvante 9 minutes ago
      Noctua fans have a distinct look, you could say the same about black, if you want to black them out just get a case that hides them since that would look the same.
    • ahoka 7 minutes ago
      Why do Ferraris seem to almost always made in red?
  • Havoc 7 minutes ago
    I sometimes wonder whether they have an culture that overengineers tbh.

    The thoroughness & mindset is certainly appreciated, but you can also overdo it - engineer it beyond what the consumers use case requires.

    • prism56 1 minute ago
      Where do you draw the line though? They have an amazing reputation for quality fan products, they clearly feel it needs a new injection mould which aren't cheap investments.

      I've got a Noctua NHD14 in my current build that I bought in 2011 and it performs perfectly still (including 2 free socket upgrades from Noctua).

  • j16sdiz 1 hour ago
    If you need that kind of precision, yes.

    But I don't think they really need that.

    • sho_hn 59 minutes ago
      It's luxury watch engineering for gamers. You do not need it, but it's kind of charming when anyone competently takes a niche to its extreme, imho.

      That said, on my last PC build I ended up buying Pure Wings 3, which are quite competitively silent at similar airflow and much cheaper.

      And white. Because I do like silly pretty PCs, as long as they don't have RGB on.

      https://eikehein.com/pc/pc2.webp

      • Ekaros 55 minutes ago
        Functional premium product at premium price. Cheaper mid-class does the job most of the way. But I suppose there is slightly better characteristics and probably higher reliability in design. Not a fake luxury like too many products these days.

        I suppose we should be somewhat positive that some company still aims to deliver best possible products. Not just products with cheapest possible cost and some perceived luxury if even that.

        • sho_hn 51 minutes ago
          Indeed.

          Also, if their product ever does enshittify, the shit would truly hit the fan.

    • accelbred 57 minutes ago
      This level of quality is why they have my business. We had a CI setup with rpi boards that needed fans (uart clock tied to cpu clock so heat meant slowing down and the uart dropped characters). I got tired of seeing random test failures on some board and driving up to the office to replace the fan that had failed. And they were loud and annoying. I ended up frustrated and expensing hundreds of dollars of noctua fans. Dead quiet, did a better job, and not even one ever failed on me.
    • kenhwang 56 minutes ago
      I used to really like Noctua fans, for a while they were obviously the best fans by a significant margin.

      But for all their tight tolerances and exotic materials and a high price to match, they generally don't outperform BeQuiet's more regular materials but use-focused fans that are half the price. Nor are they significantly better than Arctic's general purpose fans at a quarter the price.

      It'd make more sense to just buy the fan optimized for the specific common purpose (airflow or radiator) than pay double for the Noctua for a more generalized fan, but is not the best at either common use case.

      Seems like these days their target audience is those who believe their marketing materials about them being the best, instead of believing the benchmark performance data.

      • adrian_b 2 minutes ago
        The benchmarks do not tell everything.

        I have used Noctua fans in computers where they worked for a decade or so, even 24x7, until an upgrade or replacement of the computer was required by other reasons than because of the fans.

        I have also had many problems caused by cheaper fans.

        So now I always prefer to use rather expensive fans and power supplies, from brands with which I have accumulated many years of experience, for peace of mind.

        Perhaps other brands of fans that nowadays give similar results in benchmarks also have similar reliability, but I am not willing to bet on it.

      • LiamPowell 28 minutes ago
        2×? Try 5× for the Noctua NF-A12x25 compared the the Arctic P12 Pro that matches or beats it in most metrics. Which isn't to say the Noctua fan is bad, it's just a luxury product for reasons other than performance.
        • kenhwang 22 minutes ago
          2x more than other premium offerings that often perform noticeably better, which I'd say are usually from BeQuiet, LianLi, and Phanteks.

          But yes, sometimes up to 5x more than the comparative Arctic in common size categories where it basically trades blows for most metrics that matter. Arctic is seriously unbeatable in value:performance if you just need a basic fan without other QoL or aesthetic features.

          120mm is the most competitive category, and it's the most obvious category how Noctua can't keep up with the faster iterating/innovating competition.

    • dopa42365 2 minutes ago
      Thermalright etc. have definitely shown that a slab of metal and some generic fans can be rather quiet and easily compete with Noctua at a fraction of the cost.
    • xboxnolifes 41 minutes ago
      If they didn't go to these length, they wouldn't be the brand that they are. They would just be one of any other random fan manufacturer.
    • LiamPowell 1 hour ago
      It's par for the course in the premium PC parts industry. It's overkill in a way that does not impact performance at all because gamers will pay for that.
    • sheiyei 1 hour ago
      If you're okay with some of your fans being noisy and/or inefficient, I'm sure you can work with flimsy tolerances.
    • vasco 1 hour ago
      They want them to be really silent. There's more details here: https://www.noctua.at/en/expertise/tech/nf-a12x25-technical-...
      • LiamPowell 1 hour ago
        Last I checked they weren't really any quieter than their competitors at the same airflow and pressure (which is a little subjective because your curve will never match perfectly). They do have a really low number on their specs because they have a really low max RPM, but that's not really relevant when you can just lower the speed of other fans.

        They're still really good fans, but a lot of this is just marketing.

        At max power the Noctua NF-A12x25 has 56 CFM and 2.3 mmAq for 31dBA [1]. At 70% the Artic A12 Pro is 56 CFM, 4.3 mmAq, and 31dBA [2]. At 60% the Asus ProArt PF120 is 61 CFM, 2.6 mmAq, and 30 dBA [3].

        Note that the ProArt is a bit thicker (25 vs 30 mm) and all these dBA numbers are almost certainly unobstructed airflow. The Noctua is certainly good, but it's literally over 5× the price of the Artic.

        [1]: https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/fans/4/

        [2]: https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/fans/175/

        [3]: https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/fans/229/

        • sho_hn 21 minutes ago
          On the other hand, if I recall right the internet is rife with customer reports of the Arctic fans having noose spikes / unpleasant hums or resonances at certain RPMs. Lots of people using config tuning to avoid it.

          I ended up buying Pure Wings as mentioned. Also much cheaper than Noctua and seemingly not having those issues.

          • kenhwang 3 minutes ago
            It's funny because I replaced my NF-A14 and NF-F12 because they had hums at certain rpms when used on radiators, and neither the Arctics before them, nor the BeQuiets that replaced them, had that issue.
        • techpression 56 minutes ago
          Noctua is working at the last five percentages of performance AND lifespan. They want their fans to perform (and sound) identical ten years later with daily use. Most people change fans far earlier than that.

          It’s kind of refreshing to see really.

  • ReptileMan 22 minutes ago
    Reading about this, just makes me wish I has good 3d scan of their impellers to see how a simple 3d printer will deal with such mythical precision.
    • MagicMoonlight 11 minutes ago
      Obviously better if you print slow enough. But the fans will be weaker and you won’t be able to pump out thousands every day.