Do_not_track

(donottrack.sh)

63 points | by RubyGuy 2 hours ago

17 comments

  • victorkulla 3 minutes ago
    The issue is that it is not enforced. My version of My IP will tell you if 'Do Not track' and 'Global Privacy Control' are set by your browser but it is up to the website to honour your requests. Check if your browser is sending them by visiting: https://fshot.org/utils/myip.php
  • PufPufPuf 30 minutes ago
    This is set up for the same fate as DNT in browsers. Collecting all the "do not track" env vars into a single "do_not_track.env" file, however, may not be a bad idea...
    • whitlock 14 minutes ago
      https://toptout.me - exists and handles a lot of these problems, if not looking to create a new wheel.

      Though if you just want a simple ENV var that handles this WHILE honoring the specification on this page: https://github.com/alloydwhitlock/do-not-track-cli

    • whitlock 22 minutes ago
      Love it. This is an annoying problem and likely the actual solution than asking folks to use a universal one. I'll put something together as a starting point.
    • LocalH 18 minutes ago
      Advertisers chose to ignore DNT because they claimed Microsoft making DNT enabled by default took agency away from the user. In reality, they probably weren't going to honor it anyway.
  • ximm 1 hour ago
    Looks like a helpful honeypot! Any tool that will public announce support for this spec is a tool I know to avoid because it collects telemetry without explicit opt-in in the first place.
    • xandrius 6 minutes ago
      Well, don't look too deep else you won't be using many modern tools.
    • SpyCoder77 9 minutes ago
      Most services are already collecting telemetry, them announcing support for it won't change that.
  • spudlyo 1 hour ago
    I was surprised how hard it was to stop the Python transformers library from phoning home to Hugging Face. I set HF_HUB_DISABLE_TELEMETRY=1, and when I called Wav2Vec2CTCTokenizer.from_pretrained I explicitly passed local_files_only=True, but still I got got a warning about not having a valid HF_TOKEN. It wasn't until I stumbled upon HF_HUB_OFFLINE=1 that I'm somewhat confident that I'm not making outgoing connections to HF every time I load a wav2vec2 model from disk.

    I wouldn't have realized this was happening at all if it weren't for the obnoxious HF_TOKEN warning.

  • XCSme 43 minutes ago
    I thought it would be a sh script to automatically set the flags for all known do not track env vars.
  • smartmic 1 hour ago
    > Many CLI tools, SDKs, and frameworks collect telemetry data by default.

    Any of those are using a dark pattern and before exploring new ways to opt out you should look for and spend your energy on an alternative which respects your freedoms upfront.

    • Otek 1 hour ago
      Exactly, new “standard” won’t fix it
  • drayfield 1 hour ago
    Given the URL and list of different opt-outs I thought this was going to be a shell script to set all these for you. In fact, I've just had an idea...
    • SpyCoder77 8 minutes ago
      Exactly what I was thinking.
  • LeoPanthera 1 hour ago
    The most useful part of this page is the list of optout commands to stick in my shellrc.

    Is anyone maintaining a more complete list of those?

    • paddw 1 hour ago
      an LLM would do a fine job for most common things, doesn't really matter if a few of them get hallucinated
  • drnick1 1 hour ago
    It's probably easier to run your own DNS and blacklist the offending domains. There are good blacklists with millions of telemetry domains, e.g. https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists.
    • tosti 50 minutes ago
      Better yet, don't allow such spyware crap on your computer.
    • rvz 30 minutes ago
      That is the correct way of handling this.

      Everyone proclaiming a "standard" is just adding to the long list of (unofficial) alternatives.

  • kstrauser 6 minutes ago
    I’m morally opposed to the notion of optimizing the opt-out mechanism. I want a standardized opt-in mechanism, like:

      export ALLOW_TRACKING=telemetry,crash_dumps
    
    and the absence of such a setting means “fuck off, don’t spy on me”. It’s not my responsibility to turn off apps wanting to track me. It’s their responsibility to get me to authorize their specific flavor of tracking.
  • batisteo 1 hour ago
    It worked so well on the browser already
  • huksley 57 minutes ago
    Also this, we disable it when building or deploying apps in DollarDeploy

    export SEMGREP_SEND_METRICS=off export COLLECT_LEARNINGS_OPT_OUT=true export STORYBOOK_DISABLE_TELEMETRY=1 export NEXT_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1 export SLS_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1 export SLS_NOTIFICATIONS_MODE=off export DISABLE_OPENCOLLECTIVE=true export NPM_CONFIG_UPDATE_NOTIFIER=false

  • stavros 40 minutes ago
    Honest question, what's the problem with crash dumps that include no personal info? They just help make the software less buggy. I also don't see an issue with anonymized usage patterns (this feature was used X times this month, this one Y times, etc).

    Can someone expound on what they see as a problem?

    • JoshTriplett 7 minutes ago
      > Honest question, what's the problem with crash dumps that include no personal info?

      In addition to the other response: crash dumps are difficult to anonymize, both because useful crash dumps include something like a minidump (or some other small alternative to a core file), and because even without that, any random information from a backtrace may be sensitive (e.g. a URL).

      There's nothing wrong with saving a crash dump and giving the user control of whether to submit a bug report.

      • stavros 5 minutes ago
        I'm more thinking Python crashes, where you just get the lines that executed, and ~zero identifiable data.
    • circadian 32 minutes ago
      I would suggest that the default to enrolling people in supplying such information is the issue. In a world driven by surveillance capitalism, even "anonymous" data can be used for much broader purposes (think, for example, of when and where people are using tools geographically and at what times: you can start to track the behaviour of people in this way).

      Users should never be opted in through usage alone of free or paid-for tooling to supply information that isn't part of the function of the tool. Where that is required for a service or product, you should opt-in explicitly, not implicitly.

      • stavros 30 minutes ago
        That's fair, thanks.
  • tonymet 49 minutes ago
    He’s better off vibecoding an include.sh that sets all the known do not track env vars for you.
  • varispeed 49 minutes ago
    Default opt-in tracking should be illegal and enforced with such fines and prison sentences, that companies wouldn't even dare to have anything remotely capable of tracking in the runtime.

    Unfortunately big corporations can always find away to make regulators see no problem.

  • iririririr 29 minutes ago
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