Where's Ed: Anthropic Told Court $5B but Public $19B

(flyingpenguin.com)

20 points | by jorisw 3 hours ago

4 comments

  • josh-sematic 47 minutes ago
    Weird article. “Our annualized revenue as of March 2026 is $19b” is not “telling the public we’ve made $19b.” And the discrepancy the author points at is actually more like revenue to date “exceeds $5b” vs revenue to date looking like $6.7b. I hate to tell you, but $6.7b exceeds $5b.
    • vb-8448 21 minutes ago
      "Exceeds $5b" is a weird way to say "5$b +34%" ...

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of Zitron, but the narrative around revenues and profitability around AI labs are quite misleading.

      • brainwad 15 minutes ago
        If you look at the table, the implied revenue for March 2026 was $1.58b. So isn't this just a case of the $5b number being from one month earlier than the $6.66b number? Ed dismisses this, but it seems to be the obvious answer - the CFO quote is from March 9, 2026, so 70% of the March 2026 revenue presumably had not yet been earnt. If you subtract that out (or even the whole month, which would also make sense), it checks out: you get something between $5.08b and $5.54b, reasonably describable as "exceeding $5b".
        • vb-8448 6 minutes ago
          The $19b ARR is from March 3rd, so it is based on the revenue from February.
          • brainwad 4 minutes ago
            Ah, OK. It still seems reasonable they might report the number in the court affadavit with one month lag for various reasons. The root cause in the discrepancy is just that Anthropic claims to be (and appears to be) on a ridiculous tear, with +35% MoM growth. OP and Ed both seem to dismiss this as impossible, but it seems to align with Anthropic's recent desperate search for more capacity.
      • glenngillen 6 minutes ago
        Zitron’s narrative around AI revenues is that somehow the people Anthropic/OpenAI etc are pitching to, people who meet the sophisticated or wholesale investor tests (i.e., the only people actually able to trade on this information) do not know what ARR means, how it’s different from revenue, and are unable to read financial statements for themselves. And that he is seemingly the only one with insight, with the partial bits of information he has access to, that can tell them the truth of the situation.

        I used to love his stuff. Until he just wouldn’t stop beating this drum so breathlessly. Now I wonder how much I’d suffered Gell-Man amnesia with the other content of his I’d previously enjoyed.

    • darkwater 38 minutes ago
      Maybe for people used to deal with financial announcements, but from my ignorant and naive point of view, if I read that claim I think instinctively that they made $19b during the last 12 months, not that they are going to maybe make it if they keep the same rate as the last month for the next 12 months.
      • yen223 37 minutes ago
        "Annualized revenue" is a projection, and is known to be a projection.
        • csomar 17 minutes ago
          The problem is, annualized revenue doesn’t work when your income has a 3 standard of deviation month to month. It is standard for other fields/businesses but these tend to have stable month to month revenue.
          • nraynaud 8 minutes ago
            I would venture that's it's the whole reason they use it. because it doesn't work.
        • throwaway713 29 minutes ago
          Interesting. I’m going to start describing my “annualized impact” in my performance self-reviews in terms of all the things I project that I’ll do.
          • fluidcruft 26 minutes ago
            Go for it. Be aware of what happens to your stock when expectations you set do not materialize.
          • rvnx 11 minutes ago
            Investors don't want results anyway, they want a dream. Until the IPO which is the final boss stage where you are selling forward looking profits
      • fluidcruft 30 minutes ago
        Wall Street be like that (and worse). Caveat emptor.
  • diatone 5 minutes ago
    Revenue recognition for private companies generally is less precise than for public companies, which in the US are obligated to report under GAAP, which uses a different indicator than annualised revenue so public companies are comparable.

    It makes sense to scrutinise Anthropic’s revenue in the lead up to IPO on those grounds; their AR figure simply isn’t comparable to revenue numbers from other firms.

    However it doesn’t make sense to be sensational about this - iirc reporting GAAP revenue is a necessary condition of going public so the chickens will come home to roost one way or another.

  • clearstack 10 minutes ago
    at 3x YoY growth, annualized run rate can be 4-5x trailing revenue. the gap is structural, not deceptive. courts want historical actuals; investors want trajectory
  • cmiles8 27 minutes ago
    In the current environment of circular money flows “revenue” is a fuzzy number. That’s part of the challenge here. There’s concerning gaps between the money flowing in circles and net-new money entering the ecosystem.