Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

(theverge.com)

203 points | by neilfrndes 2 hours ago

31 comments

  • sowbug 1 hour ago
    You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory.

    Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking ability. And an easy way for your body to detect this is when your eyes and ears (vestibular system) disagree about your body's position and motion in space.

    So we presumably evolved a simple rule:

        if (eyes != ears) { vomit(); }
    
    Which gets that bad berry right back out of the system.

    This is why these Android and Apple gadgets work: they restore visual cues helping your eyes match what your ears are telling you. It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps. And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

    • dylan604 1 hour ago
      > And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

      As a kid, I was told to turn 90° so that the back and forth of my eyes reading were in line with the motion of the car. This was soooo before any kind of electronic devices. Hell, the radio in the car still had the giant push buttons for saving stations.

    • throw310822 56 minutes ago
      Let me add: I wonder if that's the reason the sight of puke immediately makes me want to vomit too. If you're in a group of people you probably all ate the same stuff. Better to vomit as soon as the first start to feel sick than wait for your turn- it might be too late then.
    • raverbashing 57 minutes ago
      > It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps.

      Yes it helps. As in getting you back to "barely normal". (Also you can't do anything around the boat because you're looking at the horizon)

      The theory make sense but some people have the thing turned to 11

      • sowbug 48 minutes ago
        Once it starts for me, it's not stopping for at least a couple hours, even if I immediately get back on solid ground.

        But I used to get sick playing Quake, so maybe I'm in the 11 group.

  • advisedwang 1 hour ago
    Seems like there's a few android equivalents:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo...

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid...

    And even one that claims to work with sound:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1...

    EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.

    • Pfhortune 1 hour ago
      If you're like me and want an open or non-google-play alternative to these, this is available on F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/dev.davidv.motionsickness/

      I can't vouch for it (yet) but am going to give it a try!

      • jlv2 25 minutes ago
        This one works well. Small, simple, no ads, open source.
    • jerlam 1 hour ago
      It's been rumored that Google would build it into Android for years:

      https://www.androidauthority.com/google-motion-cues-pixels-n...

      I've tried some of those Android equivalents and they seemed to work on any motion, not on acceleration like the Apple one.

    • ramraj07 1 hour ago
      Be careful with these apps. The permissions they ask for are quite expansive.
      • Cider9986 45 minutes ago
        Absolutely, which is why I really appreciate the network permission on GrapheneOS. It makes me more comfortable to allow other permissions knowing no data can be exfiltrated.
        • Groxx 40 minutes ago
          It's wild to me that "internet access" is not revokable or even displayed in the Play Store in stock Android. It's such a huge security and privacy concern, even if most apps semi-legitimately need it.

          Or, it would be wild, if it weren't fairly obvious that this is just Google protecting their mobile ad revenue.

        • nopakos 36 minutes ago
          Network permissions could be used to avoid ads on Android. The horror!
      • sowbug 55 minutes ago
        You're correct, but there's a good reason: they need to draw over other apps to do what they do. So it's not necessarily nefarious. But it is an excellent reason to build the functionality into the OS.

        (The reason the permission is so dangerous is they can trick you into pressing the wrong button by relabeling dangerous text with innocuous text.)

        • advisedwang 12 minutes ago
          The presence of a good reason is exactly why you have to be so careful. Creating an app with a legitimate reason to request permission, only to also abuse it, is a great strategy for an attacker.
    • Cider9986 45 minutes ago
      I've found Kinestop to be much more effective and immediate than Apple's, highly recommend.
  • 40four 1 hour ago
    Never knew this feature existed! I’ve gotten this type of motion sickness my whole life, so I’m excited to try it out. It would be nice if it’s effective for me.

    I get the same type of nausea described by the author. I can’t read a book or look at a screen for too long without a feeling awful. I can also get it just from sitting in a rear passenger seat, especially if vehicle has poor visibility, and even worse with a bad driver. I have to really focus on looking outside the vehicle at the moving world.

    Interestingly, I think there are people that have the opposite type of motion sickness. For example, my mom could never play arcade racing games without getting nauseous. The issue being focusing on a screen with rapidly moving objects and everything else in the peripheral being fixed, versus focusing on a fixed object and everything in the peripheral moving. She never had any issue reading a book in a moving car

    • MBCook 54 minutes ago
      They added it a few years ago. I tried it for about 30 seconds and was so annoyed by how distracting I found it I turned it off and never did again.

      I just don’t use the phone when a passenger in a car.

      If it works for you and doesn’t bother you as much as me, go for it! I wouldn’t be surprised that it works.

    • fecal_henge 1 hour ago
      Maybe for christmas you could get your mom a multi axis driving simulation rig.
      • xattt 1 hour ago
        Any recommendations? I searched, but not sure if the results that come up are just white-boxed versions of the same thing.
  • mmcclure 45 minutes ago
    As a kid I didn't get carsick at all. I could work on my laptop, read, whatever while my parents drove. As an adult, at some point I started to barely be able to do anything but keep my eyes on the road without feeling bad.

    Turned these on recently, and they work bizarrely well...unfortunately. Downside is that I feel like I lost an excuse to avoid devices for a few minutes while traveling.

  • modeless 30 minutes ago
    They don't cure my kids' or wife's car sickness, unfortunately. I'm not sure the implementation is as good as it could be, it seems a bit rough.

    Motion sickness is an overlooked problem. A large percentage of the population has severe, almost debilitating motion sickness. It curtails a ton of travel. Almost all transportation and tourism related businesses would stand to benefit hugely from a real cure, not to mention VR and even regular gaming to some degree. There ought to be an industry effort to fund research.

    • davidw 27 minutes ago
      It'd be interesting to gather some actual statistics. I can't look at a screen for more than a minute as a passenger without starting to feel a twinge in my gut.
      • modeless 21 minutes ago
        Supposedly 1/3 of people are "highly susceptible".
        • davidw 19 minutes ago
          And of those, how many does this help, and how much? Like does this mean I could look at a map application while my wife drives for a few minutes and be ok? Or does it help a lot of people be able to read for a long time?
          • modeless 18 minutes ago
            In my family, Apple's implementation helps only a small amount if at all. I'd also love to see some real statistics. What I think is really missing is coverage of peripheral vision, so maybe a similar feature built into AR glasses could be a real solution.
  • MattIPv4 1 hour ago
    I can unfortunately report that these dots have not helped me in cars or trains; anything more than a few seconds looking at a screen during a journey will ensure I feel awful until I have an opportunity to sit or lie still for quite a while after. To be fair, even facing backwards on a train usually makes me sick rather rapidly.
  • tombert 45 minutes ago
    During long road trips, back before iPhones and the like, my mom would have us pick out a book and buy it for us to read to keep us entertained while driving.

    That worked fine for me, I've never gotten carsick, but for my sister could never do that; after reading for not much time, she would start feeling nauseous. Initially I think my parents thought she was exaggerating to get attention, but eventually she puked in the car because of it and they suddenly had no issue believing her.

    It eventually led to them buying a cheap TV/VCR combo and a cheap power inverter for the cigarette lighter and using that for road trips, which didn't seem to bother her very much.

  • isatty 58 minutes ago
    Weird, I get extra car sick when I use those. The only way I can consistently not be sick is when I drive.
  • normalaccess 1 hour ago
    I have this on 24/7. I like them even when I'm not driving.
  • aaarrm 35 minutes ago
    My partner got some goofy glasses with liquid in them to help him use his phone in the car.

    He only had to wear them for a week or two before his motion sickness from cars was completely cured. Now he can just use his phone, without the glasses, in the car whenever he wants

  • robrtsql 1 hour ago
    I gave this feature a try and it didn't work for me. I was curious to see if it was effective, so I asked my wife to drive and I tried to read in the iOS "Books" app with the dots on. I think within 5 or 10 minutes I was feeling pretty sick, and stayed that way for the rest of the drive. Hopefully others have better results. I'll have to stick with audiobooks when in motion.
    • 40four 1 hour ago
      That’s unfortunate. I didn’t know this feature existed so I’ve yet to try it out. Fingers crossed
  • apparent 45 minutes ago
    Dunno if they work, but these glasses [1] supposedly help with motion sickness as well

    1: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/motion-sickness-g...

  • NBJack 44 minutes ago
    I find using something that puts a display right in front of me also works, like Xreal glasses. I'm not super susceptible to car sickness, but it has hit me in the past. However, with a "heads up display", I never even feel the early warning signs.
  • apparent 47 minutes ago
    I wonder if this could work on computers, not just smartphones/tablets. Presumably so, assuming they have enough motion sensors. Could a third party dev build it, or is it something that only Apple can build?
    • ms7m 45 minutes ago
      This works really well in the Tesla Ubers here in NYC when i'm working on my MacBook :)
      • apparent 8 minutes ago
        Ah, didn't realize it was on MacOS. I had only seen the announcement about mobile devices.

        Do you find it is more/less effective on different kinds of devices?

  • makerofthings 1 hour ago
    I get really bad motion sickness, I tried reading hacker news in the car with these on when the feature first appeared. It didn't help.
  • jodacola 1 hour ago
    I don't get car sick looking at a screen in a car, but my daughter very quickly does. Excited to set this up for her to see if it helps her, especially with our annual US Independence Day car trip coming up.

    Can this same idea be extrapolated to a device that emits concentrated beams onto the surface of a book?

    I'm thinking of those clip-on lights for books that allow one to read in the dark, but for this purpose explicitly. My daughter also gets car sick reading paper books while in a moving vehicle.

  • cassianoleal 1 hour ago
    > to reduce or, in my case, even eliminate the motion sickness felt when trying to use an iPhone, iPad, or MacBook inside a moving vehicle.

    Does it also help people who get carsick without looking at a screen?

    I get carsick in pretty much any modern car, unless I'm the one driving.

    • skyberrys 56 minutes ago
      I have the same question. It would be convenient to be able to be a passenger for once without feeling like the world is escaping from me.
    • dylan604 1 hour ago
      Um, no. What a strange question to post publicly
  • jeromegv 54 minutes ago
    I heard of it randomly few months ago, and for me and my wife it's been a game changer for using our phone on transit or in the car.
  • justinator 59 minutes ago
    I'll have to try this out. I've gotten motion sickness while using a phone in the car and I swear it continued to affect me for weeks.
  • ourmandave 1 hour ago
    Do they have a boat version of this?

    I get car sick easily but on open water I have to sit and watch the horizon or it's adios cookies.

    • MBCook 53 minutes ago
      It is specifically for using your phone. So I don’t know if it would help.

      I don’t think it’s actually driving specific, I think it just is based on the accelerometer. So it might work.

  • arcfour 1 hour ago
    Very interesting. I've noticed myself getting mildly car sick now that I'm a little older if I don't take breaks every so often. Does anyone know if there's a similar feature on Android?
  • Curiositry 1 hour ago
    Has anyone made a Linux version of this yet? I think Framework laptops and many thinkpads have accelerometers.
  • jborichevskiy 1 hour ago
    It helps, doesn't completely cure it for me but makes looking at google maps / iMessage more bearable. Not reading essays yet though.
  • Angostura 1 hour ago
    Has worked very well for my wife who notably couldn’t look at her phone for even a few seconds without feeling ill
    • ourmandave 1 hour ago
      My ex-wifey could sit and read for hours. She'd be all "Oh, are we here already?" no matter how badly I drove.
  • wifipunk 1 hour ago
    Had no idea this was a thing. Have always gotten car sick anytime I'm not driving. They sold me lol
  • mmooss 1 hour ago
    A relatively simple generic device, mounted on a car's interior ceiling, seems possible: It would project light 'dots' below onto everything the user looks at. Using the car's momentum, the dot movement could be mechanical, though you'd need power for the light.

    Not every passenger would want to see the dots; their range could be restricted to the user's seating area or narrower - the user placing objects under the dots as needed. Also, of course the device could be turned on and off.

    The dots need brightness and color visible on different surfaces, but those could be easily user-adjusted. Also, I wonder if a grid would work. (Edit: For use with screens, possibly the background reflection of the device, with its grid of lights, would work.)

    The real question is, would it work? Does Apple's solution generally work or is the OP just a happy anecdote? Is there more magic to Apple's solution than dots swaying with momentum?

    • ssl-3 32 minutes ago
      There may be a way to do this with a point-source light (a focused LED, or maybe an appropriate laser), and a diffraction grating (which may be already exist in stage lighting world). Such that when the parts move relative to eachother, the projected dots move across the car's interior.

      In terms of controls, it seems likely that it should seek to emulate whatever it is that goes on inside the inner ear, so that the input from our eyes better-matches the input from our ears.

      I don't know how Apple's dots work (and I don't think my singular iOS device is new enough to try), but if they only respond to acceleration, then doing it this way should help establish mechanical limits: The acceleration (in any direction) of a car is finite, and always returns to zero.

  • peab 1 hour ago
    Oh wow, this is great!
  • iJohnDoe 1 hour ago
    Very useful feature for anyone. Probably the lesser known feature because it’s under Accessibility.

    It should be a frontline feature to toggle on or off from the command center. It’s there once it’s enabled, but should be there by default.

    • nottorp 50 minutes ago
      Everyone should know about Accessibility because it's where "reduce pointless animations" and "bring contrast back" are too :)

      As for this feature, I found out about it and turned it on, but I don't think it helped me much with reading off the screen while in a car.

      It's interesting how many kinds of motion sickness there are. I have no problem reading in trains, or sitting in a car and looking ahead or through the window. But I can't read in a car, even with these dots.

    • birdman3131 1 hour ago
      Don't know that I would say anyone. As I have never had any issue with any sort of motion sickness.
  • markus_zhang 1 hour ago
    Wait can I use it for rollercoasters?
    • osiciwjdiwidu 49 minutes ago
      Why the hell would you be using your phone during a goddamned rollercoaster ride?
  • LoganDark 1 hour ago
    I love stories like these. Lots of accessibility features like these dots are sort of conceptually very simple and potentially quite weird ideas, IMHO, but when they work, they work like magic. I have a big soft spot for things that make it more comfortable or even possible in the first place to operate a device, whether a user is disabled or not.
  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
    Is this from a press release? It's a substance-free product endorsement.
    • blairbeckwith 1 hour ago
      The Verge is pretty well-known for their ethics policy [1] (they won't take money from any company they talk about) and that actually enables them to highlight interesting stuff like this that companies would never bother to pay to promote.

      This article is actually the first time I've heard of this feature and I follow Apple news a lot, so I appreciate it.

      [1] https://www.theverge.com/ethics-statement

      • mschuster91 1 hour ago
        > The Verge is pretty well-known for their ethics policy [1]

        Had a read through it, stumbled over this one:

        > We do not give subjects of our reporting the ability to preview or approve interview questions, nor do we allow them to review our stories before we publish.

        In Germany, that would be considered strange - here it is established good practice in print/written interviews to hand over the final story to the interview partner(s) [1], especially when the interview consists of a lot of industry-specific jargon to make sure that there's some sort of quality control.

        [1] https://journalistikon.de/autorisierung/

    • internet2000 1 hour ago
      No, it's an older feature. How it works is not super intuitive so it's good to have reports on how it helped someone.
    • cadamsdotcom 1 hour ago
      Also known as word of mouth.