10 comments

  • lucfranken 1 hour ago
    It’s ugly. When there are still only some copies available of a certain book and they are all being sold the knowledge is gone. Let alone when it’s the only copy remaining.

    That is of course not totally true, the copies are in private digital stores.

    But for general public the knowledge is gone. Someone researching let’s say the history of a little village won’t be able to catch it.

    This happens as well in current private collections. The physical book gets stored in a private book collection. But many also get out by the years when people are moving or die.

    The amount of companies doing this is the real harm. There will be many companies running this process. It is absolutely not comparable to a single book collection getting burned in a house fire or being thrown away instead of donated to a second hand store.

    It might feel for some as a not really big issue but actually it is in time.

    • johnsmith1840 36 minutes ago
      They are digitally scanning them? What knowledge is being lost here?
      • AlecSchueler 18 minutes ago
        If you take the only remaining copy of book X and take it home to digitally scan it, then destroy the book and never share the scan, what has been lost?
        • johnsmith1840 13 minutes ago
          Nothing? What's the difference of the vast rare books in private collections never scanned or public? Ever been to the rare book conference? None of those are public.
      • abyssin 27 minutes ago
        The knowledge that was available to the public.
    • readthenotes1 55 minutes ago
      They got in trouble for violating copyright so now they are somewhat spitefully showing the alternative
  • nullbio 5 minutes ago
    If the bookstore owners were smart they'd be digitizing all their books and selling digital copies to AI companies.
  • protocolture 1 minute ago
    If only they could legally access the cultural heritage of mankind digitally.
  • wincy 2 hours ago
    This mindset is so strange to me. Destroying books is anathema? These are niche subjects for books that may only have a few copies in the world. This knowledge should be digitized so it can be available and shared for thousands of years.

    Better yet, why not raise prices by 10x for these online AI orders? Then again, I suppose you don’t really run a book shop in 2026 because you want to make money.

    • krautsauer 1 hour ago
      There's a bit of history to destroying books. So yes, anathema.
      • LAC-Tech 47 minutes ago
        The nazis? Are the jewish owned AI companies destroying books nazis?
        • righthand 24 minutes ago
          There were Nazi practicing/voting Jews. One is a political party, another is an ethnicity. It's definitely possible.
    • plorg 1 hour ago
      If the book really is difficult to come by I don't know that I'd prefer it to only survive as a statistical approximation that can be mostly retrieved if you utter the correct incantation. The AI trainers don't care about the book. It's just a commodified stream of words.
    • croes 31 minutes ago
      They won’t share it.

      And I bet it’s more likely that in 100 years you can read a book printed nowadays than you can read data digitized nowadays.

      • larodi 29 minutes ago
        This is very strong argument and it holds as soon as 2026 - much of 90s data, a lot of it online, is of course already lost.
    • jandrese 2 hours ago
      Except we know they're going to digitize it, use that data to feed an AI, and never release it to the world.

      Legally they can't, they would immediately land in copyright claim hell.

      • buildbot 2 hours ago
        Most people do not support the destruction of books - it seems like the issue in both cases is copyright forcing the destruction and non-release of the scan.
        • jandrese 2 hours ago
          They don't have to destroy the books to scan them. There are techniques for doing it non-destructively, but they're slower and more expensive. It's cheaper to cut the spines off and drop the stack of papers on a flatbed scanner with a paper feeder.
    • globular-toast 1 hour ago
      Ok, but that's not what's happening. They are destroying the copies and not making them available to be shared. They are using them to increase the value of their business.
  • Scoundreller 44 minutes ago
    > A Canadian buyer was sending multiple book orders to Book Haven in Newtown, sometimes minutes apart, for niche texts on New Zealand specific subjects.

    Canada is one of the few “western” countries without annoying customs duty/tariff requirements to ship to by post these days. US is a mess, and UK/Europe are going in the same direction.

  • abeppu 1 hour ago
    All the offense is that books are being destroyed. They're being destroyed b/c that's slicing off the binding to get flat pages is most convenient way to scan them. But ... could AI firms sidestep all the vitriol by paying to rebind the guillotined pages? I have no experience with such things, but if they were willing get the machines to do paperback thermal bindings (even if they sliced open a hardcover) and then donate or resell the books back into the marketplace, a lot of the "destroying rare books" emotions could be avoided.
    • qingcharles 1 hour ago
      No, there are two reasons they are being sliced:

      1) It's easier to scan.

      2) US copyright law (currently, sorta, kinda) requires that only one copy of the book you purchased exist. If you scan it, you must destroy the other copy.

  • johnsmith1840 37 minutes ago
    I mean aren't thry literally just digitally scanning books that basically nobody else has?

    I can morn paper but it's not like the contents are being lost.

    Rumors of rare books being destroyed would be the bad part of this but if "rare" is the tourist guide to a local cave why should we care?

    Feels alot like the water argument

    • sofixa 34 minutes ago
      > I can morn paper but it's not like the contents are being lost

      Unless they're sharing the scans publicly or with the Internet Archive or equivalent, they are being lost.

      • ButlerianJihad 9 minutes ago
        One copy! A single copy of the book is destroyed and physically inaccessible.

        The same effect would be if a hoarder purchased the book and never sold it or showed it to another soul. Same effect if a toddler purchased it, dropped it in their spaghetti bowl, and tore it apart.

        But a copy of a book is a copy of a book! Books were designed for multiple copies being printed. Perhaps we recall Gutenberg and that whole controversy of easy printing from a press. So, the thing getting people all in a tizzy is that a single copy of a book that has, perhaps, become rare in 2026, a single copy that languished on a shelf somewhere, is being purchased and consumed.

        Honestly, folks, books are really in no danger here. If you know any rare books that are irreplaceable, and with only one extant copy, just buy it yourself. For God's sake! Not rocket science.

  • ChiperSoft 1 hour ago
    How are they finding these books to order? I can't find used bookstores online anywhere.
    • Scoundreller 38 minutes ago
      Probably through a “broker” like abebooks (an Amazon subsidiary) or Amazon itself.
  • aaron695 1 day ago
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  • LAC-Tech 2 hours ago
    For those wondering why she's wearing wool and gloves indoors - New Zealanders typically can't afford electric heating, and wear woolen clothing in doors to to make up for this, when they can't burn firewood or coal.
    • jemmyw 2 hours ago
      More likely a second hand book store in Newtown is an old and draughty building. Running a heater in there would be the same as running one outdoors.

      Or she just gets cold. My daughter wears those kind of gloves all winter regardless of how warm we heat the house.

      • LAC-Tech 2 hours ago
        What percentage of New Zealanders do you think live somehwere that isn't cold and draughty?
        • enquirewithin 1 hour ago
          Jacinda Ardern and her family.

          Because she’s so reviled by New Zealanders she left NZ.

          • defrost 1 hour ago
            Fairly opinionated framing given:

              as the country grapples with record numbers of citizens leaving the country because of a weak economy, high living costs and high unemployment.
            
              More than 60% of those moved to Australia, where average weekly incomes are higher and New Zealand citizens have work and residency rights.
            
              The spokesperson did not elaborate on when the family arrived in Australia nor what kind of work they were doing, but noted it was not unusual for former leaders to spend time overseas after leaving office.
            
            Jacinda Ardern living and working in Australia after move from US - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/26/jacinda-ardern...

            New Zealand has always been a place people with talent leave (and often return to upon retirement or making a fortune).

            eg: Ernest left in his post grad years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

    • kiwih 2 hours ago
      Often kiwis can afford it but just choose not to. My own parents are well off and yet still have an absolutely freezing house all winter, it drives me crazy. Just put on a sweater, and another one over that, and a blanket....
      • mixmastamyk 39 minutes ago
        Electricity was several times more expensive than in the US when we were there, and houses not insulated well. Sock hats and fingerless wool gloves it is.
    • anigbrowl 51 minutes ago
      Imagine thinking that wearing a sweater in wintertime means you're poor. Couldn't be me.

      The gloves are a special kind made of thermal material for people with Raynaud's disease, where narrowing of the blood vessels reduces circulation in cold temperatures.

      • LAC-Tech 43 minutes ago
        I went to school 3 minutes walk from that bookshop. I know what those draughty sashcord windowed shitbox houses are like.
    • potatosalad99 1 hour ago
      That’s a funny callback to last weeks RNZ article https://www.rnz.co.nz/life/wellbeing/cosy-ways-to-keep-warm-...
    • AnotherGoodName 2 hours ago
      Lol but seriously 4th highest median wealth per capita. The median NZ citizen has 3x the wealth of the median us citizen.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe...

      Of course they have very low wealth inequality so they don’t have trillionaires at all which some people may see as a problem. In fact remarkably despite the median wealth of NZ being so much higher than the USA they have a lower average wealth per capita.

      They just spread the wealth around making the middle class 3x richer.

      • loeg 2 hours ago
        Wikipedia's (UBS') US figure ($69k) is probably wrong? US median household wealth is ~$193k[1]. I don't think there's a way to square claimed median individual wealth of $69k with that? Even taking into account children (22% population) and assuming 2 adults/household (more favorable to the math than the real 1.2-1.4 figure). I can't find anything on UBS' methodology, just the short 1.5 page paper.

        [1]: https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scfindex.htm

        • nl 1 hour ago
          I don't have an explanation for this but I did note that the 2023 UBS report had US Median Wealth per adult at $107K[1].

          I wonder if there is a per adult vs per person vs per working person difference in the measurement or something like that?

          Edit: I've dug into this more, and the closest thing I can come up with for an explanation is that UBS changed its model for 2026 to "normalize household debt" in order to make it more comparable across countries. There doesn't seem to be sufficient information to explain how that change caused such a radical change.

          [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20230815103944/https://www.ubs.c...

        • SECProto 53 minutes ago
          > US median household wealth is ~$193k

          Emphasis mine. US median household is 2.53 persons [1]. 193/2.53 = 76k, which is within spitting distance of the 69k per person listed. The wikipedia is median wealth per capita

          [1] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/HCN010222*

      • LAC-Tech 2 hours ago
        That wealthy is all tied up in draughty houses. It's not real.