Stripe's Knowledge AI Platform

(stripe.dev)

96 points | by ltononro 2 hours ago

22 comments

  • quadrifoliate 26 minutes ago
    Stripe is the company I usually hold up as the exemplar of polished internal tools. Hopefully this is taken the right way and I don't want to be negative towards the teams working on this, but I see a distinct lack of polish in these tools and presentations. Some examples:

    - Unnecessary AI copy throughout the interfaces like "Browse, discover, and manage skils for your agents", "No favorites yet — hover a card and click the star to pin it here", "One execution environment, shared across agents". These instantly read as AI copy and decrease my enthusiasm.

    - Inconsistent, AI-sloppy look-and-feel with different typefaces spattered across the interface

    - The session metrics slide looks busy and AI-generated. It repeats 360,014 sessions in one of the cells at the top, but also has a "360K sessions" in the heading

    I don't know if I'm the only one that notices this stuff, or whether others see it too.

    • anthonypasq 23 minutes ago
      > Stripe is the company I usually hold up as the exemplar of polished internal tools.

      unless you work there how would you know this?

      • quadrifoliate 22 minutes ago
        They have published a bunch of stuff about their internal tools in the past. Look up https://stripe.com/blog/stripe-home and compare it to this, as an example.

        It's always possible that in reality they were always a bit less polished behind the scenes though.

  • godzillafarts 4 minutes ago
    I want to read this, but the ever-changing linear gradient of the background is too visually distracting. I tried to get around it by highlighting text I want to read, but since the background is changing underneath it, so is the highlight. My eyes hurt.
  • lukebuehler 1 hour ago
    Very cool demonstration of managed agents built for the needs of their own business.

    I think this is where a lot of companies are going to go: on-prem platforms that give various teams access to agents that are as powerful as coding agents, but much more managed and governed.

    I'm betting on this with my open source project, Lightspeed: https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed

    • apsurd 27 minutes ago
      You wrote your readme yourself. It shows. So refreshing and i was able to finish it too.
    • sebmellen 13 minutes ago
      Wow, where do you work? Can we talk? Looking for smart people!
    • hmokiguess 1 hour ago
      Your project seems way better than the stuff they built, nice work.
    • neilellis 1 hour ago
      I like it, very smart for agents at scale.
  • hek2sch 1 hour ago
    I read a buzz word "Knowledge AI Platform" but I did not see any specific feature helpful for knowledge management like verification or transparency. It is more like any generic Agent builder. Maybe it meant to justify building something internally.
    • ofjcihen 1 hour ago
      None of these have been especially impressive.

      I think that’s because none of them go past “I’ve set up agents to be orchestrated this way” and that’s about as impressive as “look at my cloudformation template”.

  • rubenfiszel 42 minutes ago
    It's very close to the direction we're taking for windmill.dev, we call it "operator builders" rather than focus on "knowledge graph" which the article is very light on details of.

    What I'm mostly reading is a developer platform and runtime where users can build agents that can run tools and for that you need a secure code runtime, ACL/permissions, easy way to build apps or what cloudflare OS call gadgets. We're betting on this too at https://github.com/windmill-labs/windmill, very curious to see if that's the future for most enterprise and if a model where everyone vibe-code/fork cloudflare OS to their enterprise need is the future, or a more exhaustive/enterprise platform like ours does.

  • docheinestages 19 minutes ago
    > Within two weeks of our April launch, most of Stripe was using Stripe's Knowledge AI Platform, also known as Kai.

    By force or by choice?

  • olliebrkr 1 hour ago
    Dang it, I just named my newborn son Kai. At least I didn’t go with Alexa..
    • reticulates 29 minutes ago
      Don't worry, thanks to nominative determinism, you've secured your kids employment years in advance
    • graypegg 41 minutes ago
      It’s a cool name! Don’t let Stripe make you doubt that haha
  • atonse 1 hour ago
    Ahhh I built an internal set of agents to run our company (finances, all info in the karpathy-style LLMWiki and a database of clients, contracts, billing, time tracking, all managed by MCPs, etc) and it's also called Kai (company name is Kaizen)

    Happy to be in such good company!

    • infecto 1 hour ago
      All hand written or did you have any underlying libraries that you used?
      • atonse 9 minutes ago
        Mostly custom. Full data model and full web and mobile app to help run day to day operations.

        The agent has switched a few times, initially NanoClaw, then Hermes, and now Vercel's Eve (maximum customizability).

        NextJS/Shadcn web app, postgres db, eve agent layer, MCP tools (over 100 so every single thing can be done by an agent), SwiftUI mobile app, etc.

        Integrations with gmail, gcal, gdrive, quickbooks, using mdx for the wiki displays (so we have rich diagrams, 3d models, etc).

        We write about it here: https://kznconsulting.com/work/how-we-run-kaizen

  • Bluestein 1 hour ago
    Somebody probably mentioned this already or maybe its just me but: The "endless scroll" this page does is neat, to say the least.-
    • a_crowbar 47 minutes ago
      There's quite a bit of cool stuff in the console too! The one in the top right corner
    • wiether 1 hour ago
      I just hear Steve Ballmer yelling
      • postexitus 43 minutes ago
        Oldies let's gather here.
      • Bluestein 1 hour ago
        [Bad mental image ... can't unsee ...] :)
  • anonzzzies 1 hour ago
    TIL people still fall for eh I mean use Langchain. Sorry, low value comment; I don’t know how to do that differently; it is such bad garbage since day one and strangely it did not improve. Sorry anyway for the comment, at least it was not LLM generated?
    • bogdanoff_2 1 hour ago
      To make your comment more high value, could you explain why you think langchain is bad?
      • ramraj07 1 hour ago
        It (and most other systems) abstract the wrong concepts when you want to create an agent. They promote what was likely never a great strategy but even parsimoniously what are strategies that were good ideas months or a year back.

        For example how langchain or whatever else handles subagents and deep research is laughable even today.

        So whats the recommendation? Just use pydantic and code everything up yourself. Maybe strands I dont know.

        • mdrxy 49 minutes ago
          Which specific strategies do you think are outdated, and what would you recommend instead? This sounds more like a criticism of older versions of LangChain than its current APIs. The post also uses deepagents, a separate package in the same ecosystem. Is there something in the current implementation of either that you’re referring to?
    • mawadev 1 hour ago
      I have a hard time keeping up with the space. Is langchain old news? Is there a page that kind of shows what the status quo for tooling is?
      • infecto 1 hour ago
        +1 would love to know as well. I have generally found the open source space to be lacking in this area and hoping it catches up!
    • simlevesque 1 hour ago
      There's like 1000 langchain alternatives and none are good, they're all vibe-coded unstable projects.

      I use Apache Burr but it's not as good as LangChain. I just don't want to use software whose website has a pricing page if it's not a SAAS.

    • realsarm 1 hour ago
      Yes, I also thought it's crap the moment I saw they need langchain to develop a harness.
      • weego 1 hour ago
        The fact that Stripe are touting a production product that (at face value) benefits their business seems to suggest that maybe crap is subjective and as ever, being overly opinionated in an emerging space might actually be a blocking mindset rather than a positive one.
        • owebmaster 1 hour ago
          It might also suggest they went with the first LLM recommendation, like Anthropic choosing React for Claude Code.
    • infecto 1 hour ago
      Instead of spending half the comment reflecting on your post why not point out what you don’t like about it or some better alternatives?
    • hmokiguess 1 hour ago
      Totally, I find LangChain is the Vercel of ML
      • mdrxy 46 minutes ago
        For what reasons?
        • hmokiguess 36 minutes ago
          It's a lot of sugar and high level abstractions on top of existing things, I find using the existing things not that complicated or difficult and I struggle to see the value on using the framework as it doesn't sit well with my way of abstracting the stack.
  • wenbin 1 hour ago
    so is it like CloudflareOS ? https://github.com/cloudflare/cloudflare-os

    seems every company that has spare engineering resource all builds such thing internally

  • ianpurton 1 hour ago
    They don't really say why they built their own rather than using one of the open source solutions like https://github.com/bionic-gpt/bionic-gpt
    • sceptic123 1 hour ago
      In the first paragraph:

      > No existing tool could handle the data security requirements and specific workflows Stripe needed

    • NichoPaolucci 1 hour ago
      Size and scale, I would think. An out of the box solution probably doesn't quite have the same capabilities as something they can (and now have to) manage in it's entirety.

      Stripe probably WANTS to be opinionated about how their company works with the tools.

  • adithyassekhar 1 hour ago
    This site could use a bit more line height, more paragraphs, or less text overall.
  • nozzlegear 26 minutes ago
    Somewhat interesting how the design of Stripe's developer-focused landing pages used to be the "cream of the crop," so to speak, but now they just look like Claude run amok. I wonder if the web design "skills" for Claude, and other LLMs, were overly trained on Stripe.
  • doctorpangloss 31 minutes ago
    haha stripe's example prompt is "Create an event"
  • olliebrkr 1 hour ago
    Dammit, I just named my newborn son Kai.
  • quijoteuniv 1 hour ago
    But no darkmode support? … :D
  • ckrapu 1 hour ago
    The article reads like slop, to be honest.
  • eis 6 minutes ago
    Hope this comes over as constructive criticism:

      1. The whole interface feels way too vibe coded with tons of unneeded stuff. Why does it have a console and snake game built in? Why does it have annoying sounds? Why is it full of AI slop writing? The latter is especially confusing because the first person listed under authors is a "Technical Writer". I guess the interface is the general stripe.dev page not exactly related to Kai but the post definitely is pure AI slop writing.
      2. It seems to claim things that might not be substantiated like the following: "When Account Executives use Kai, they produce 2x the sales activity, create 17% more opportunities, generate 26% more revenue opportunities, and close 39% more deals when compared to the same sellers in weeks they don't use it." Correlation is not causation. More engaged, better sales people might just also use more tools like this one, it doesn't mean all the increase in sales is because of the tool.
      3. the post talks a lot about how great this tool is but it describes nearly nothing of value to the outsider who can't access it. What were the valuable lessons learned? What's neat about it? There is not much meat imho.
    
    It doesn't live up to my usual expectations from Stripe.
  • TimVasil 47 minutes ago
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  • dominotw 1 hour ago
    oh not these guys again. These are just so idiotic.

    Spotify built some nonsense like this too and made ridiculous claims that it saves 90 percent of tokens. I guess anything goes these days.