21 comments

  • ocd 18 minutes ago
    He said the thing that Canada, Greenland, Cuba, and various other countries are worried about, but is either publicly ignored in the US or dismissed as "trolling" by the president.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/25/lula-says-trum...

    • wongarsu 7 minutes ago
      And Meta (or the US government) seems determined to prove him right
  • condenser 1 hour ago
    Facebook election interference has been going on for a long time in Europe. It's a two-tier system where parties outside the establishment have a far lower ban-threshold.
  • abroszka33 1 hour ago
    I hope Lula wins and they will ban Facebook for good after the elections. This is an attack on Brazil’s sovereignty.
    • tryauuum 59 minutes ago
      nothing good usually comes out of governments censoring internet
      • ben_w 42 minutes ago
        In this case, the unelected leadership of Facebook is apparently censoring the free speech of a political candidate.

        I don't really know anything about Lula (I wouldn't have known this was Brazil if it wasn't explicitly mentioned, I only know from the Wikipedia page 30 seconds ago that their full name is Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and "Lula" is a nickname), so I can't say if they're "fine" or "evil", but one does not simply get to disregard the implications of censorship (of anyone, let alone a political party) when it happens to be done by a private corporation.

        Especially when it's a foreign private corporation that's already deeply suspicious for political interference in multiple nations, as Meta is.

        • tryauuum 4 minutes ago
          It feels like your treat the facebook as some common good, and censorship made by it thus preposterous, something which should be punished

          But it's a multimillion dollar corporation in a foreign country, to me the idea they owe you something is strange

          ---

          Governments are still more powerful than corporations, this is why I am more afraid of the censorship of the internet by governments than of it by corporations

        • bakugo 5 minutes ago
          > In this case, the unelected leadership of Facebook is apparently censoring the free speech of a political candidate.

          Free speech only applies to the government. A private corporation has the right to restrict speech on their own platform at their discretion.

          Or at least that's what I was told every time an online platform censored the right in the past. Is it suddenly different now that the shoe's on the other foot?

      • riffraff 56 minutes ago
        If a company openly acts as an enemy of the democratic process, I'm not sure it's the same as censoring a random porn site.
        • petcat 41 minutes ago
          It depends on which side of the "democratic process" benefits the most. It's the eternal debate.
      • basilikum 4 minutes ago
        You don't need to censor access to the platform itself. Just declare the group for what it is: a criminal cartel. Then just make it illegal to do business with criminal organizations: no Brazilian ads on Facebook anymore.
      • cassianoleal 41 minutes ago
        This is not censoring "the Internet". Meta and Facebook are a private company incorporated in a foreign country.
        • tryauuum 11 minutes ago
          how do you block access to it without going to TCP/IP level? And when governments do that, everything goes to shit
          • NikolaNovak 5 minutes ago
            Not supporting the idea, but this feels like the traditional technical details vs practical real world solution.

            Rather than banning individuals right to access a site, and then playing technical whackamole, you make that company's ability to operate in a country illegal. this puts the incentives and the technical onus where it belongs.

            Again not saying they should or I support the notion of banning a site. Just that there are practical legislative solutions.

        • abyssin 36 minutes ago
          And their size puts them in a different class. If a foreign entity has effective powers that make it similar in some ways to a foreign state, it makes sense to treat it as such.
        • zapkyeskrill 35 minutes ago
          And they can stay private and isolated to that foreign country. Everyone happy
      • nasmorn 50 minutes ago
        The platform want to be both just neutral platforms and police content. This is ridiculous. Either be liable for the rape threats or don’t interfere at all.
        • _ink_ 32 minutes ago
          I agree platforms are not neutral anymore. They decide what people see. They are entirely responsible for the feed. They should be liable accordingly.
      • Hoasi 58 minutes ago
        Facebook is not the internet.
        • bel8 49 minutes ago
          Didn't t Brazil also ban discord screen sharing and camera?

          I often use Study Together which is a large discord server (50k users online) for folks to work and study in groups/body doubles, but someone told me a lot of Brazilians have to use VPN to circumvent the ban.

          https://www.studytogether.com/discord

      • shrubby 24 minutes ago
        Facebook is hardly a neutral part of the internet.
      • throw_m239339 10 minutes ago
        Right, don't ban them that's bad for free speech, just impose huge fines on Facebook to bankrupt them.
      • vrganj 16 minutes ago
        Private companies are censoring the internet right now to interfere with democracy.

        This ideological fear of democratic structures ignores the very real threat of autocratic, privately owned structures consolidating more and more power.

        The only viable counterweight to corporate power is public power.

      • andrepd 19 minutes ago
        Even less good comes out of corpos doing it, yet we accept it as the status quo. The ubiquity and totalitarian control exerted by the big platforms is something even the media moguls of the 90s couldn't even dream of.

        And it wasn't that long ago.

      • croes 43 minutes ago
        But isn’t this the internet censoring a government?
      • tjpnz 40 minutes ago
        They don't have to censor the internet. They just have to make it illegal for their citizens to do business with Meta.
        • tryauuum 14 minutes ago
          Yes, this would be a better outcome. Or at least make it illegal for politicians to use facebook / TikTok

          From where I am, one third of politicians in recent elections have tiktok. It's a shame, everyone knows about human rights violation in China but the european politicians have no issues with using tiktok.

      • altmanaltman 19 minutes ago
        But something good comes out of facebook being able to censor the internet?

        Its like throwing a grenade into a goverment building and being surprised that the government now wants to prosecute you. It is a fair prosecution based on actions in that case.

        Banning facebook might actually be a moral good for the internet but that's my personal opinion.

    • avazhi 49 minutes ago
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      • ben_w 35 minutes ago
        What you call "leaching" we call "comparative advantage" on good days, and "dear god just ban it all already" on bad days.

        What you call "I mean seriously aside from Airbus and ASML wtf even goes on over there in terms of actual technological development", Trump calls "a trade deficit" and tries to stop.

        (The "deficit" becomes almost, not perfectly but relatively, neutral if you include the digital stuff like FB).

        • avazhi 29 minutes ago
          Just ban it and make your own social networks then? Surely it’s easy and straightforward to do.

          If the social networks provide no value then ban them. And if they do but they are so harmful then create your own.

          A tri polar world technologically would be great.

          • ben_w 18 minutes ago
            > Surely it’s easy and straightforward to do.

            https://xkcd.com/793/

            AKA everything looks easy when it isn't your field.

            • avazhi 13 minutes ago
              Did I really need the /s tag?
      • sjbzbeiks 43 minutes ago
        I mean … that would have large large costs when the Americans retaliate. I don’t think this is the easy call you claim it is for Europe.
        • avazhi 37 minutes ago
          That’s my point. The Europeans heavily rely on America for all sorts of shit, but all the Europeans do is whine and complain about literally everything. I’m no trump or Facebook/zuckerberg fan, nor do I even live in America.

          But it’s actually laughable how much the Europeans complain about the Americans/American big tech while at the same time inventing no alternatives themselves and in fact relying on America for a whole host of shit, notably their defence. AI is another great example where the Europeans won’t cease complaining but don’t have and apparently won’t have a single frontier model of their own. Mistral is the best they’ve got lol.

          Europeans love to berate and criticise others for building something but won’t build it themselves (and they still use what’s being built in the end).

          Ban those big bad evil American companies or pipe down.

          • ben_w 34 minutes ago
            > But it’s actually laughable how much the Europeans complain about the Americans/American big tech while at the same time inventing no alternatives themselves and in fact relying on America for a whole host of shit, notably their defence. AI is another great example where the Europeans won’t stfu with their whining but don’t have and apparently won’t have a single frontier model of their own. Mistral is the best they’ve got lol.

            That's like criticising people for complaining about cigarettes when they don't even have their own cigarette companies.

            > Ban those big bad evil American companies or pipe down.

            That would be stuff like this, in order to give the legal cover needed to resist counterclaims by the USA: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-se...

            • avazhi 25 minutes ago
              No it’s not. There are several European efforts to develop AI, they just aren’t good at it and it isn’t anywhere near frontier level. The analogy is that the Europeans are trying to make their own cigarettes but can’t do it as well as the cigarette makers they are criticising and fining constantly.
    • glerk 45 minutes ago
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      • cassianoleal 37 minutes ago
        Actually, elections in Brazil are highly regulated and rules are enforced in the name of fairness. If Meta/Facebook want to keep serving the Brazilian public, they need to abide by local laws.

        Brazil is not a "little corporation with a fancy flag". Brazil is a democratic republic. The largest in Latin America, and one of the largest in the world.

      • ben_w 40 minutes ago
        > Your little corporation with a fancy flag and its “sovereignty” isn’t scaring anyone.

        Do I misunderstand, or are you calling Brazil, the nation whose population is around 214 million, a "little corporation"?

        • glerk 31 minutes ago
          You are conflating the (insignificant) entity that controls the Brazilian state with the 214 million people that live on the territory of Brazil, so yes, some degree of misunderstanding.
          • vrganj 13 minutes ago
            That entity is the democratic representation of those two hundred million people. What you are suggesting is nothing less than colonial disenfranchisement of Latin America. I guess it wouldn't be the first time?
      • NicuCalcea 40 minutes ago
        Corporations can host whatever they want and governments can ban them for it.
        • cassianoleal 37 minutes ago
          And can also criminally prosecute the individuals responsible for those decisions if the law says so.
      • croes 41 minutes ago
        If you reach a certain market power it isn’t so easy anymore.

        If you become something like public infrastructure you have to act like one or reduce your importance

  • amelius 1 hour ago
    I would be in favor of blocking ALL political expressions on social media a few weeks before elections.

    But this case is something else entirely.

  • MrToadMan 36 minutes ago
    A more accurate headline would be 'temporarily blocked' given the first line below the heading is 'The page is now back online' and it seems to have been brought back online the same day.
  • lifeisstillgood 11 minutes ago
    In the same way USA is realising “holy crap all our stuff is made in China”, every non-US company is realising “holy crap, all our news and information runs through a couple of American web sites”

    Yes this looks like a overly enthusiastic attempt to block disinformation during an election (a good thing, and also LuLa will be sailing close to that line if not over it)

    But Brazils most famous election candidate just booked his whole campaign on Facebook. I bet he prints the flyers in Brazil, I bet he speaks on Brazilian TV and radio, appears on Brazilian podcasts, but the globalisation race means he has to use American social media.

    The only response is going to be Balkanisation or ending curation by algorithm.

    Interesting

  • bonoboTP 20 minutes ago
    There is no win here. In Europe they simply quit the political advertisement business and simply don't do political ads. Such clear rules work much better. No politics or any politics, free speech etc. Of course nobody really wants free speech. Only free speech for the "correct" side and silence the "dangerous" other side. It's always like that. So then it becomes a game of blaming social media either way. "They allow too much propaganda for Bad Party A! This is misinformation and election interference!" "They banned my preferred Good Party A (same party)! This is censorship and election interference!"

    There are no easy answers here, and every side just wants social media to support their side and suppress the others.

    • alex43578 17 minutes ago
      I guess the challenge comes in even defining "political" ads. Is an ad about expensive gas prices or egg prices political? Unless you put such a huge ring fence around any topics of economy, immigration, law, crime, etc; I can think of a number of effective messages that aren't inherently political, but would activate an audience aligned with a political affiliation.
      • bonoboTP 2 minutes ago
        Yes, but it puts friction on it. Perfect vs good etc.

        For example, you can't advertise overtly for political candidates or parties. You can't advertise if you are a political party or an org that has candidates for election. Of course they will then use supposedly independent orgs who are totally not affiliated with the party, but again it's some friction.

        In Hungary, since Fb banned political ads in the EU, the previous governing party had a much harder time in advertising themselves, they tried but didn't manage to go around the rules at scale.

      • codedokode 12 minutes ago
        And also you can masquerade political ads as ads for a newspaper article, for example: "Governor A opens a new school" or "Party A declares amazing plans for next 5 years" (actually done here by ruling party, to work around election ad laws and limitations).
  • jdw64 21 minutes ago
    Last time I looked, Lula was favored, but this time it seems he's about even with the far-right opponent, Flávio. How do you think it'll turn out?
  • bell-cot 59 minutes ago
    If giant foreign corporations, American interventions, or just Zuck were sufficiently unpopular in Brazil, then this could help Lula on election day.

    Anyone familiar, to comment?

  • N_Lens 1 hour ago
    Calculated & orchestrated I believe.
  • Zestymarble45 1 hour ago
    Having worked ad review, mass flags like this are usually a dumb classifier, not a plan.
  • dotcoma 1 hour ago
    They never said "Don't do evil".

    Zuck famously said, of his users: "dumb fucks".

  • hkt 14 minutes ago
    Remember when Facebook was a nice place to talk to your friends,and not an arm of the American state whipping up hatred, spreading misinformation, and interfering with elections?

    To those who work there, I'd be fascinated to hear an explanation that isn't about dollars.

  • michelb 24 minutes ago
    Here we go again
  • pestatije 1 hour ago
    "your account violates our terms of use, if you think that is not the case tell us why not"
  • raverbashing 24 minutes ago
    Much ado about nothing:

    - Meta didn't block their page, they blocked their Ad account.

    - The account has been reestablished already

    This was probably because their campaign shipped complete misinformation about the opposing candidate (with several profiles boosting the same misinformation) but when they do it, that's cool, right?

  • conartist6 13 minutes ago
    Disgusting. They bent over 5x backwards not to meddle in election politics for Trump
  • petesergeant 45 minutes ago
    I mean by all means ban Meta everywhere, but this is a Reddit post linking to a substack post that’s a republish of a heavily politicized new source, and fails to mention the page was restored the same day, and also fails the very basic journalist standard of approaching Meta for comment, so I think we can do a little better here?

    This would be better, but I guess less anger-tormenting and also you’ll need to translate it yourself: https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/politica/noticia/2026-09/me...

  • johnnyApplePRNG 1 hour ago
    Trump is pro Israel. Zuck bends over backwards to get Trump elected.

    Lula is against the Israeli genocide in Gaza. Zuck blocks his entire campaign page.

    I wonder why?

    • amelius 1 hour ago
      Trump is friends with Bolsonaro.
      • cassianoleal 35 minutes ago
        It depends on when you ask him. Sometimes Bolsonaro "was actually a pretty good guy", other times he's "just a guy I know".
  • stefantalpalaru 12 minutes ago
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  • OrdersOfMagnitu 1 hour ago
    are they even allowed to do that, damn
    • go_elmo 1 hour ago
      Trump approves this message