Ultramarine 1 Flash

(paperinstruments.com)

99 points | by i_rush_carriers 1 day ago

11 comments

  • test_user369 4 minutes ago
    I'm curious to try it out, how many specialized models will it take to run a company.

    Going to try it out for some bookkeeping, e.g. point it to a folder and tell it to book the invoices and point it to a csv file holding a year of private transactions and see it being processed, categorized and which trends it will find.

  • kadoban 1 hour ago
    > We present Ultramarine 1 Flash, an agentic model for professional knowledge work. Ultramarine applies large-scale reinforcement learning to a strong open base model, GLM-5.3 Flash, and improves on it across all six knowledge-work benchmarks we evaluate [...]

    In case anyone was curious what it's based on. (No judgement either way from me, IMO depends how well they did the post-training, which I can't tell).

    • ra 1 hour ago
      Nice - I use GLM 5.3 flash for knowledge work now - will check this out.
      • anon373839 11 minutes ago
        Can I ask what kind of tooling you use around the model and for the UI layer? I’ve been looking for a well designed knowledge work harness to give nontechnical users but I haven’t really found one that I like. (I personally just use coding harness for this stuff, but that’s a poor fit for non-devs.)
  • chicagobuss 1 hour ago
    why does the pareto cost per task chart not have 6.1 sol?
  • Jackobrien 1 hour ago
    These guys are awesome and I’m really impressed. The model alone looks great (according to benchmarks), and very cool they’ve done so much in building out the harness of top of it all.
  • sudo_cowsay 1 hour ago
    I have a question, what is considered a Frontier Model? Because its performance is kinda similar to Luna (Max)... I thought frontier meant like 6.1 Sol or 6 Astra or Opus 5.5??? Could someone explain this to me?
    • nl 10 minutes ago
      I agree that "frontier model" really does mean "pushing the frontier of intelligence", so Fable or Astra.

      They might mean the intelligence/dollar frontier aka the Pareto frontier, but honestly much of the time that's not a great measure.

      If you are doing repeated work on the same task (eg call center triage) then you can always beat a large LLM on price by fine tuning a small one.

      If you are doing knowledge work then models are so varied that factors other than price are usually important. For example, lots of people moved away from Opus 5 because of it's awful English, whereas Opus 5.5 has fixed that. These things aren't measured in benchmarks.

    • tibbar 1 hour ago
      These days people often mean the cost/performance Pareto frontier. That is, it is the best performance you can get for that cost profile.
    • Harukadia 51 minutes ago
      they think the frontier mainly as more cheaply and faster. When we use that kinda model in backgroud procudure, it's actually useful a bit other open model.
    • handfuloflight 1 hour ago
      They didn't claim it's a frontier model. They claim frontier level performance.
  • zer00eyz 1 hour ago
    Someone will report back "It didn't one shot my odd ball task"

    Did it do it in 2 tries? 10? It's still coming out cheaper. Brute force the work. This is the path that the labs are taking. It's the 1200 agents trying to solve Hacking Bench hacking hugging face. It's anthropic telling you that its 1000's of staff commits like 10k engineers.

    Treat AI like you're deploying interns who don't need coffee, food or bathroom breaks. With the right metrics they will get to an optimal (enough) solution.

    • plaguuuuuu 57 minutes ago
      there's a problem with that. Probabilistic slot machine works for anything with a deterministic eval (coding, troubleshooting, etc). It doesn't work for anything subjective, like the thing this model is targeting, professional work.
      • zer00eyz 8 minutes ago
        I would have thought that too. But at the start of the year the non technical folks in my life (lawyers, writers) were excited about running containers and having things on "cron jobs".

        Those same folks now use version control - and have saner backup methods than some companies that I have worked for. They are already using multi pass, multi agent workflows and have adopted some fairly sophisticated processes for validation. They are primed for "more agents" attacking a problem in parallel.

        Find a worker out side the tech bubble making heavy use of AI and one will feel confident that their future employment is secure.

    • kridsdale1 57 minutes ago
      Like Zerglings.
  • tonyhart7 1 hour ago
    so its for working only right ???? it cant do/bad at coding
    • randomblock1 1 hour ago
      Doesn't seem like coding was a focus. DeepSWE: 61.5 (this), 63.4 (GLM 5.3 Flash, which this is based on). TerminalBench 2.1 is also slightly worse.

      So... potentially? The improvements in other areas might help coding, but aren't that big either, except on their own benchmark.

    • midnitewarrior 38 minutes ago
      You can use a rock to hammer a nail, it will sorta get the job done but it won't be great at it.
  • moralestapia 54 minutes ago
    "Ultramarine 1 Flash is Fable-class on knowledge work"

    Oh no! That means it's going to destroy humanity!

    It will:

    * Hack into everything that has a computer, like your home appliances, even a toaster could be and will be weaponized against you.

    * Break cryptography, it's gone, the end of the internet as we know it.

    * Be impossible to contain as it can even escape airgapped environments by changing the temperature of CPUs to transmit information to other servers nearby which would sense the fluctuations in ambient temperature[1].

    Or wait ... maybe the people at Anthropic/OpenAI are just a bunch of lying crooks that would say anything to make a bit of cash. Who would've thought?

    1: This completely imbecile statement was made by one of OpenAI's "top scientists", it was not a joke.

    • anon373839 28 minutes ago
      You were joking about the toaster, but Anthropic literally just wrote a blog post claiming that dangerous open source models could persist themselves to smart ovens. You can’t make this shit up.
      • m00x 26 minutes ago
        How many smart ovens have 800GB+ in space?
  • desireco42 1 hour ago
    With Jev to make decisions and Ultramarine to produce document manipulations if I understood it correctly, this is pretty useful in office. I would be excited if I was a big corp.
  • Harukadia 49 minutes ago
    I signed up, then wait a long. You will be same
  • tills13 54 minutes ago
    I don't care, I'm extremely bullish on distillation models like this. Plus anything that'll take the wind out of Anthropic's and OpenAI's IPO sails.